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demifugue
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Post new to this and, well.. lost
on: February 9, 2012, 15:54

Hi everyone. I read Make Miracles in Forty Days last week and started doing my daily lists a few days ago. Hmm.. I'm not even sure how to describe what's going on in my head but I'll give it a shot..

*deep breath* Here goes. So I really don't like labels, but about 10 years ago I started having terrible panic attacks and was diagnosed with something called "Depersonalization Disorder". Basically (for me, at least), this "disorder" is a severe form of anxiety that makes my sense of Self and the world around me seem unreal. It makes me feel almost like a robot, just going through the motions of daily life, doing what is "expected" of me but with very little emotional attachment to anything or anyone. Anyway, I don't want to go into too much detail about that. What it boils down to is that I have been to countless therapists and psychiatrists over the past decade. I have been prescribed many different medications, most of them not helping at all or actually making me feel worse.

A couple years ago I was prescribed Klonopin, which decreased my anxiety enough that I started feeling "real" again for a while - at least to a certain degree. Along with this, I am prescribed two anti-depressants. I don't know how effective any of these drugs are anymore, I just know that I feel like hell whenever I try to taper off of them. I am prescribed a pretty hefty dose of the Klonopin (1mg, 3x daily) and I have had absolutely no success trying to taper down my dosage of that. If I decrease by even .125mg/day, I start feeling pretty terrible withdrawal symptoms within a couple days.

I have never abused the Klonopin, as it is a narcotic and I'm already involved in 12-step work for other addictions/addictive behaviors. Anywho, I've been doing the gratitude lists for a few days and do feel they have been therapeutically valuable for me. However, I'm somewhat puzzled about the med situation and how it fits into the scheme of Project Miracle.

I don't want to be on the meds - like I said, I don't even know if they're "helping" at this point. But I do know from my experience how painful it is trying to function without them. I was (literally) non-functional before I started the Klonopin - couldn't leave the house, work, or even get out of bed most of the time. In the book, Melody mentions psych meds and how they've created a culture that tries to avoid negative feelings at all costs (I'm paraphrasing, don't remember her exact words). While I agree with this, I also know that I don't personally take the meds to avoid feeling. It's more a matter of practicality and being able to hold down a job, etc. (Just the thought of quitting the meds brings up thoughts of losing my job, applying for disability, another stay in the psych ward - just lots of things that I don't want).

So I guess I'm just wondering.. how do I proceed? Is it even possible for someone in my situation to have the "miracle experience"? Should I be writing daily about my feelings towards the meds? Should one of my goals be to get off psych meds? Actually I have written (privately) a few times over the past several days that I want to be less dependent on meds and more dependent on my Higher Power. Should I just write down my concerns about the meds and hide them away until my answer comes (as page 129 suggests)? How will I know when that answer comes, given my circumstances? I'm not necessarily looking for concrete answers to any of this, as I know the Miracle exercise/experience is unique to each individual. I'm just more so looking for guidance. I'd love to hear from anyone who might be in a similar situation. I tried searching the forum for "meds", "medication", etc, but it doesn't seem like anyone has posted much on the topic.

Sorry this ended up being so long - I tried making it as brief as possible while still making my concerns known. Thanks to anyone who actually takes the time to read this ;) hehe.

Regards,
Bryan

denise
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Post Re: new to this and, well.. lost
on: February 11, 2012, 19:26

Dear Bryan

I am new to the list also. And I am not on medication and considered myself like a normal person but also i have a lot of issues like everybody.

All i can tell you is to keep the work, please do not give up. On your everyday list just write your feelings about the meds. Just write them down without analysing, without judging yourself for this or that.

You will know the answers when it come, rest assured. You will just know. Please do not worry, just do your list, for you must be very patient.

Love and Light

Denise

demifugue
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Post Re: new to this and, well.. lost
on: February 11, 2012, 20:03

thanks so much, denise :) love and light to you as well

Bryan-
Lovsness
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Posts: 125
Post Re: new to this and, well.. lost
on: February 12, 2012, 00:09

To both Denise and especially demifugue: First of all - I consider myself new to this because I am restarting my list for maybe the seventh time - haha...I have done several completions of the 40 days. Each time I come to realize 1. there is no right/wrong way 2. the miracles or even the "good things" can be varied and at times remarkable 3. each time I realize how much I need the process to stay focused and progressing on a road that I can ONLY call remarkable.
I am not as concerned about the pain meds as I am by the fact that when I don't use them I can barely walk (my knees need replacing) -yet- surely when one is low or taken suddenly off the meds I find that my emotions DO come thru more but they usually are the romantic or feelings of loss kind of emotions moree than truly negative emotions.
I am beginning to see that the one truly negative emotion is to NOT LOVE YOURSELF ENOUGH - each person is 100% loveable for that is how God made us and wants us to be.
I too was on klonopin (about the same dose) and since it is a benzodiazapine (which kind of means it is in the same family as valium) it is DANGEROUS to decrease the dosage or to just quit it without being under medical supervision.
I am off of it after being on it for 5 years - and I have been off of it for about 20 years. I did have to be hospitalized on a psych ward but that's not always the case for everyone. It was one of the most difficult things to get off of. All benzodiazapines are. I even had visual distortions.
I would say that the most valuable thing about listing your negative emotions (along with some good things) that you are feeling that morning is that it leads to a real AWARENESS of where one is at. It is kind of like taking daily inventory.
For example I went on and on listing that I had broken two of my front teeth off and now they made me a plate but it choked me and life was horrible. Yesterday I went to a friend who fixes plates (now isn't THAT convenient) and he cut the middle out, made me feel like he really was fond of me (even though he has a baby) ***I am gay and old-haha, AND now I have my SMILE back, a true miracle.

demifugue
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Posts: 3
Post Re: new to this and, well.. lost
on: February 17, 2012, 08:46

Hi Bryan - thanks so much for your response :) sorry I have been slow to respond, I've been quite busy lately and haven't had much free time at the computer. I can relate to what you had to say about pain meds, though my meds are obviously different. I am not so much concerned about taking the meds as I am about the pain and mental turmoil I experience without them.

I ended up writing down my questions about the meds and then just sort of hid them away, trusting that Life will bring me the answers when I'm ready.

I agree 100% about loving yourself. That has always been a huge issue for me; I've always worried too much about others' opinions of me and tend to be very critical of myself. I do feel like writing my inventory each day is helping me feel more comfortable just being me. I definitely don't feel like I'm to the point of *loving* myself, but it's a work in progress :)

Out of curiosity, what led you to stop taking the Klonopin? Like I said, I'm not so much concerned about taking it as I am about stopping. I'm almost positive I would end up doing a lengthy stay in the psych ward if I decided to stop taking the Klonopin - I would need a safe place to detox from it. But I am taking things one day at a time, and that is something that certainly doesn't need to be dealt with at this very moment.

For now I will continue to write my lists each morning (I find myself adding to the lists throughout the day as well, often writing more throughout the day than I do in the morning) and try to keep doing the next right thing. I think I have found a 12-step Sponsor and am looking forward to resuming Step-work with him. I feel the daily lists really complement Step-work very nicely.

Anywho, thank you again for your words of wisdom, they are greatly appreciated :) And nice name, by the way! My name is Bryan as well - there aren't too many of us who spell it with a Y ;)

Bryan-
Lovsness
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Posts: 125
Post Re: new to this and, well.. lost
on: February 17, 2012, 20:09

I have been clinacally diagnosed with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and Panic-Anxiety attacks...this was in the early days around 1989 - the psychiatrist put me on klonopin to stabilize my moods and luvox for the OCD. After 5 years on the klonopin the dr. decided I was really addicted to them as I was uping my dosage. I was Secretary of Meetings of A.A. while pretty much being "out-there" on klonopin. He decided to start me out on depakote (non-addictive mood stabilizer) and as such I DID have to stay on a psyche ward for about a month.I must emphasize though that you NEED to talk with your psychiatrist about this because now in these days they may have other ways of detox. I am good now.
PLEASE know that I am here....Bryan

Bryan-
Lovsness
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Posts: 125
Post Re: new to this and, well.. lost
on: February 18, 2012, 18:36

Heya (demifugue) it's ok if you want to email me directly - I am lovsness2b@yahoo.com - hope to chat/hear from you

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